They took our jobs!
Published on June 9, 2007 By stubbyfinger In Misc
In the coming decades and certainly by the end of this century machines will be capable of doing almost any job humans can, and many they can’t. They’ll work 24/7 without pay; they won’t require businesses to observe safety regulations or any of the trappings that come with human employees. Since they will be quite capable of repairing themselves and each other, maintenance will be just the cost of raw materials, which will be mined, refined and made into parts by other machines. These machines wouldn’t have to be fully autonomous to replace a half of the workforce. Most will be tethered or networked.

Humans are quite limited, when performing complex tasks we can only concentrate effectively on one thing at a time. Our apposing thumbs that made us what we are today just like our two arms and two legs, are the bare minimum to accomplish many tasks. When we need more than two hands to accomplish a task, the communication between these hands is very limited. We only see in the very narrow spectrum of visible light making us oblivious to most of the information available around us without the aid of machines.

In US hospitals alone 15000+ people die every year due to human error. Machines could eliminate all of these mistakes. Imagine a surgeon with multiple appendages some task specific some multitask, operating in a self-sterilizing environment, able to see the entire spectrum and in all available imaging techniques in real time. Operating with a speed and precision much greater than the most skilled human surgeon. Or thousands of networked machines from the size of a small dog to a crane working in perfect unison, erecting buildings in days, not months or years, and the buildings would be structurally perfect. Using engineered materials they would last many times longer. A small contingent of maintenance bots and millions of nanites could keep it in top shape and even redecorate, plus keep it clean down to the last microbe.

How are human workers going to compete with that? The answer is we can’t. Any business that doesn’t take full advantage of this new work force will simply not be able to compete with those who embrace this coming revolution. Capitalism will insure these new methods of manufacturing are perused vigorously.

I know all this seems a long way away, especially when looking at the ASIMO robot, but the only thing really holding this revolution back for now is computing power. Moore’s law is showing no signs of stopping and is predicted to continue for at least another decade, and by then there are other promising computing technologies that should arrive to continue this technological march. It’s hard to find anyone in the field who doesn’t think computers will be smarter than us inside of 40 years. Now when they say smarter than us what they really mean is faster than us. Meaning they will have the power to make all the billions of calculation necessary to process sensory input fast enough to move and react to situations at least as well as we do. And once you train one machine to do a job, that one machine could instantly train thousands of others. As far as what their intellect might be really doesn’t matter, if you think about it how many jobs really require deep intellectual thinking? Most people at some point become so good at their jobs they don’t really have to think that much to do them.

So now machines are doing most of our jobs, what ways will there be left for the unemployed to gain wealth? Only the most intelligent and creative minds will have any marketable value to society. The rest of us poor slobs will just have to live off acquired wealth or welfare. The appreciation of investments like land, rare items and intellectual property are the only thing I can think of. Precious metals and other commodities too until molecular manufacturing arrives.

Molecular manufacturing could actually be closer than fully autonomous robots. What will happen to the value of precious metals once they can be manufactured? Add to that, gemstones that are indistinguishable from the real thing. I’m sure they will try to enforce controls like some sort of watermark, but I think it’s safe to assume that will not work for long, if at all. Once we know this can be done faith in the value of these things will be lost.

In the original Star Trek and for the most part The Next Generation they no longer used money. That was difficult for many viewers to accept so they introduced “Latinum” as a form of universal currency like gold, without giving any logical reason why this material couldn’t be replicated like most other materials in the Star Trek universe. This would of course be a requirement for anything to hold value, but there were many other materials that couldn’t be replicated like Dilithium Crystals but they were never associated with having monetary value. Truth is once you can turn energy into matter there shouldn’t be any material you couldn’t replicate, it just gave them a lot more story directions with these selective restrictions. In Stardocks game Galactic Civilizations money still makes the universe go round well into the future. I don’t think these advanced civilizations would be paying the population to work in the factories. Then again maybe by that time there would have already been a robot revolution that ended with their rights being recognized and hence their own worth. The Yor collective are recognized as a sentient race of machines. But like I said machines would not have to be anywhere near sentient to work in factories.

At some point when the initial investment for the land and the machines is recouped the only overhead for businesses will be one or a few administrators and taxes. So how do you maintain a capitalistic society when goods and services cost next to nothing to provide? Causing, (once machines are fully autonomous), a 70%+ unemployment rate, how do you keep the wheels turning? I guess we raise the sales tax to compensate for the unemployment rate since you’ll have the majority of the population solely on welfare. Then those who own land, intellectual property or whatever else that still has value and are compensated to reach the welfare level, whatever that may be. And those whose investment cash flow exceeds the welfare level, and those whom are smart enough or talented enough to still have a job. Any salary for these individuals should be far above the welfare level, the ultimate class separation. Inflation no longer exists, machines don’t need a raise and unlike their human counterparts their speed and efficiency just keeps going up. What material cost there are will go down over time as methods improve.

However now that machines are doing most of the work it wouldn’t cost nearly as much to house and feed the unemployed. They wouldn’t want for any material possessions and could have all the latest gadgets. I imagine the size and location of there homes would be the only difference between the unemployed, and the employed and or wealthy. Doesn’t sound that bad actually, as long as I could still go fishing.




Comments
on Jun 09, 2007
The flaw in your logic is that these machines could never possibly malfunction. They pretty much will all be susceptible to that, and, as such, there will be a need for a minimal workforce (albeit a fraction of the current workforce) to maintain and service these machines. Also to develop new machines for the market.

While machines can perform surgery, they would not be good caregiver replacements. Aging people really need the touch only a human can give.

What will happen, though, will be a changing paradigm. Machines may be able to manufacture goods, but can they SELL them? Marketing will remain a strong field for a human workforce. While much bluecollar work is liable to be menial, there will still be a market for jobs requiring human precision.

All in all, though, this is an excellent analysis. I don't see the future as you do, but I definitely think there's some sound logic behind your conclusions.
on Jun 09, 2007
Yes I think they will be able to repair themselves. Or at least recognize a malfunction and have another machine specifically designed to repair them do the work. But your right some malfunctions might require the technical expertise of there creator, but these would require a very complex skill set that only a few humans could ever obtain.

I agree there are many jobs that may always require a human touch. Doctors, Psychologist, Artist, Scientist, marketing, planning to name a few, oh and unfortunately Lawyers, but only a small percentage of people are cut out for any of these jobs and because of the massive pool of potential employees there would only be positions for the top percentage of them. I do not agree that there will be any need for the soon to be inferior precision of humans however.

Thank you for your comments Gid.
on Jun 09, 2007
Accountants, massage therapists, hairdressers, "massage therapists", entreprenuer, inventor, store clerk, security, household employee (butler, nanny, etc), teachers, professors, etc. There are plenty of jobs that won't go away, most in the service industry, mostly because people like people.
on Jun 09, 2007
I think more often than not people like hairdressers; message therapist and sales clerks annoy us. I know sometimes I wish my barber would just shut the hell up. And rude under strained and pushy sales clerks are mostly what I encounter, I’m sure there will always be those that prefer to deal only with real people but most of them will be out of work. McDonald’s is saying many of there restaurants will be almost fully automated by 2020.

Accountants, they make to many mistakes and even less of us are going to need accountants. Hairdressers, really, imagine a franchise like super cuts that you just walk in sit down drop in a storage thingy and it gives you the exact same perfect haircut every time. Message therapist; how about one that uses thermal analysis to detect problems, and never under or over works a muscle and doesn’t charge extra to talk dirty to you.

Just kidding. Security. Not having to pay someone to sit on his or her ass all night, that will be one of the first jobs to go. I think computers will be doing most of the teaching as well so teachers and professors not so many.

The creativity needed for invention sure that should be around for a long time, and I’m sure it will be a long time before we trust robots to watch our kids.

Our relationship with computers is going to be quite a bit more personal in the near future. We will be talking with them as we would another human, and some who chose will be able to interface with them directly. They will be able to read our emotional states better than our friends.


on Jun 09, 2007
McDonald’s is saying many of there restaurants will be almost fully automated by 2020.


If McD's becomes fully automated I'm pretty sure I won't go there. I don't trust a machine to cook and assemble a burger even if it is a flavorless sliver of meat like a McD's burger.
on Jun 09, 2007
Much of what you eat now is processed and packaged by machines, it's for more sanitary.

A machine would never drop the occasional hair, bead of sweat or saliva as they talk.
on Jun 09, 2007
Oh, yeah, because a leaky hydraulic cylinder is SO MUCH tastier! LOL!

I've worked with machines all of my life in the workforce, and usually they're ok. But when they malfunction and cannot sense they're malfunctioning, there's a problem.

Personally I don't eat at McD's because I don't like hamburger after it's been frozen. But when other restaurants start following the trend, I guess I won't be eating hamburgers at all.
on Jun 09, 2007

Accountants, they make to many mistakes and even less of us are going to need accountants. Hairdressers, really, imagine a franchise like super cuts that you just walk in sit down drop in a storage thingy and it gives you the exact same perfect haircut every time. Message therapist; how about one that uses thermal analysis to detect problems, and never under or over works a muscle and doesn’t charge extra to talk dirty to you.


I'd much rather have a real person do all those jobs. Humans are creative, machines are not (or at least aren't yet). A creative accountant will save you money, a creative hairdresser will give you better suggestions and a creative massage therapist will do a better job than a machine which'll just pound away at knots. Also you can flirt/gossip with the last two (depending on how you swing) and ordinary people don't do that with machines.

Human contact is really very popular amongst the general population. I really don't think it's going to be replaced by impersonal machines. And with lots of economies switching to service economies there's no reason to assume we'll have rampant unemployment either. We'll just have more esoteric professions.
on Jun 09, 2007
Cacto,

I have no doubt many will always prefer humans over machines for some services but many others will prefer machines. Haven’t you ever been sure your auto mechanic was ripping you off? Wouldn’t you chose to take your car to a machine mechanic that’s 5 times as fast and cost a fifth as much? Lets face it humans can be dishonest scoundrels and many will prefer the simple selfless strait forward logic of machines for services.

I would like to buy all my cloths in sheik over priced shops but I can’t justify the expense. That’s what human workers will become, sheik and overpriced. People will embrace cheap services as readily as they’ve embraced cheap goods. It’s simple economics they will put us out of work.

Gid,

McD's is not saying fully automated, they will still have a human presence there in some capacity for some time.
on Jun 09, 2007
I always thought that robot saloon girls were a cool idea.


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on Jun 09, 2007

I have no doubt many will always prefer humans over machines for some services but many others will prefer machines. Haven’t you ever been sure your auto mechanic was ripping you off? Wouldn’t you chose to take your car to a machine mechanic that’s 5 times as fast and cost a fifth as much? Lets face it humans can be dishonest scoundrels and many will prefer the simple selfless strait forward logic of machines for services.


I'd probably still go to my mechanic. I like him, we get on well, and he's never tried to cheat me. Add to that the bonus that he given damn good advice on lots of different car things in the past and I probably would still go to him rather than paying a fifth as much to get a service I can never wholly trust. A combined service would be much better.

That’s what human workers will become, sheik and overpriced.


Do you mean 'chic'? In any case that may be true, but I don't think the machines will take over for a few generations yet. I'd say most people still find the idea of a robot barber or a robot bartender a little creepy and impersonal.
on Jun 10, 2007
"I'd probably still go to my mechanic. I like him, we get on well, and he's never tried to cheat me. Add to that the bonus that he given damn good advice on lots of different car things in the past and I probably would still go to him rather than paying a fifth as much to get a service I can never wholly trust. A combined service would be much better".

I shouldn't have asked that question because It's really impossible to answer from your perspective. Our perspective and I think your answer would be different if the year was 2107 and you were used to machines.

"Do you mean 'chic'?

Yes obviously I meant chic. I was dozzing off with Shrek on tbs that's is the only thing I can think.

"In any case that may be true, but I don't think the machines will take over for a few generations yet. I'd say most people still find the idea of a robot barber or a robot bartender a little creepy and impersonal"

I don't think they'll be taking over anytime soon either, I do think if the machines are available then corporations will use them. and that means a lot of jobs gone.






on Jun 11, 2007

The future is already here.  That is why the industrial unions have shrunk so much.  Most of their jobs have not so much disappeared as gone to developing nations.  And our unemployment has not grown.  We have transformed from an agrarian society, to an industrial one, to a service one, and we will continue to change as technology allows us to.

We can become a society of Terminator (I dont beleive we will) or of Star Trek.  The former is when the machines do everything (a better example is probably Dune - pre story), or the latter when People are used for their brain power and the ability for Intelligence.  Something that has yet to be duplicated by machines.  I think the latter is our future.

on Jun 11, 2007
Wealthy countries like us will be the leaders in this new frontier, when it is possible to manufacture goods cheaper here in robotic factories than outsourcing I guess will start back towered and industrial economy. Economy shifts happen slowly though, only a couple of percentage points are predicted for the next decade. I don’t think that’s going to fast enough

I believe the only way we will be able to keep up physically and intellectually with them will ether be to enhance ourselves through genetic engineering and or becoming part machine ourselves, standard evolution is slow compared to how fast machines could evolve. We will have to somehow retard their advancement if these options are to remain off the table. Humans aren’t good at holding back on technology though, were too dam curious not to pursue this wherever it leads us.